tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11681988.post111803198645351639..comments2023-08-25T02:57:49.757-05:00Comments on Political Notio: The Debate for IraqChrishttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06618068748001963820noreply@blogger.comBlogger35125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11681988.post-1118809726736525412005-06-14T23:28:00.000-05:002005-06-14T23:28:00.000-05:00This is a bit late in the game here but, when did ...This is a bit late in the game here but, when did you ever say or repeat anything that Chomsky has written?<BR/><BR/>You and I have had our disagreements and so on but I wouldn't catagorize you as Chomsky.<BR/><BR/>BizarreMarkkindhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15113578196275501127noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11681988.post-1118807695763939332005-06-14T22:54:00.000-05:002005-06-14T22:54:00.000-05:00Besides, you are violating copyright laws by repro...Besides, you are violating copyright laws by reproducing this post, unless I give you permission, which you don't have.Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06618068748001963820noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11681988.post-1118797758624209222005-06-14T20:09:00.000-05:002005-06-14T20:09:00.000-05:00Horse, I really don't care what you do or where yo...Horse, I really don't care what you do or where you post your comments about me.<BR/><BR/>You must have a lot of time on your hands.<BR/><BR/>I'm glad that you read my comments on Sminky's site. You obviously know nothing about that situation either.<BR/><BR/>I'm just deleting your comments from this blog because your stupidity serves no purpose for a discussion as important as Iraq. If you Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06618068748001963820noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11681988.post-1118718173227995192005-06-13T22:02:00.000-05:002005-06-13T22:02:00.000-05:00Horse, you are wrong, this is a private blog.I am ...Horse, you are wrong, this is a private blog.<BR/><BR/>I am a private citizen and this blog is privately controlled by me. I reserve the right to do whatever I shall please.<BR/><BR/>If you disagree with me, that's fine. But don't come in here talking like a bad ass know it all. Dav and Jack have been debating back and forth for over a week now, and not once have they gotten uncivil or out of Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06618068748001963820noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11681988.post-1118584623531545172005-06-12T08:57:00.000-05:002005-06-12T08:57:00.000-05:00"on the other hand, people were saying "pull out n..."on the other hand, people were saying "pull out now, I think it will be better for the Iraqi people", I would at least think they've thought it through."<BR/><BR/>This is exactly it, have you a model on which to base your assertion, or is it simply blind faith in the coalition, their aims and abilities?<BR/><BR/>Army recruiting is dwindling, the expense is skyrocketing, they have shown little/nodavhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01345747203515877168noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11681988.post-1118530934226684662005-06-11T18:02:00.000-05:002005-06-11T18:02:00.000-05:00horse, why is the US government covering up the fa...horse, why is the US government covering up the fact that WMD were found?<BR/><BR/>------------------------------------<BR/><BR/><BR/>The coalition has shown a total disregard for Iraqi life, culture and religion. This first and foremost is not a basis for developing a functioning society, independence will not exist under military (US/UK or any other) occupation.davhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01345747203515877168noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11681988.post-1118527595707955352005-06-11T17:06:00.000-05:002005-06-11T17:06:00.000-05:00Horse, you got some problems.If you can't keep it ...Horse, you got some problems.<BR/><BR/>If you can't keep it civil, don't come in here.Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06618068748001963820noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11681988.post-1118523694803716552005-06-11T16:01:00.000-05:002005-06-11T16:01:00.000-05:00"Pull out and forget."Yeah, exactly? Just like the..."Pull out and forget."<BR/><BR/>Yeah, exactly? Just like the sanctions were ignored, just like the 'unrest' in Uzbekistan is ignored, just like burma, just like bolivia etc etc<BR/><BR/>Your 'if' is pretty big, infact huge. Saddam could have completely in the dark about his lack of WMDs for 10 years! Likelyhood?<BR/><BR/>The point you missed, was that this wouldn't have made a bit of difference, davhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01345747203515877168noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11681988.post-1118519260085863802005-06-11T14:47:00.000-05:002005-06-11T14:47:00.000-05:00Okay horse, whatever you say.I'm not going to get ...Okay horse, whatever you say.<BR/><BR/>I'm not going to get into a long debate about WMD. If you had read the whole post I think you would find that I actually believe Iraq had WMD. And no I don't have any factual evidence to support my claim, and neither do you.<BR/><BR/>If I'm the liberal left, then I would really hate to meet a right winger.<BR/><BR/>Thanks for your comment, you prove my Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06618068748001963820noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11681988.post-1118433383189758992005-06-10T14:56:00.000-05:002005-06-10T14:56:00.000-05:00"I don't think he couldn't co-operate more. In fac..."I don't think he couldn't co-operate more. In fact most detail regarding that period show a combination of arrogance, selfishness and total disregard for the fate of his people."<BR/><BR/>I think we have covered the fact Saddam is/was a despotic monster. A regard for the fate of his people would have been firstly, totally out of character and secondly relinquishing his 'delaying the inevitable'.davhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01345747203515877168noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11681988.post-1118419100818496212005-06-10T10:58:00.000-05:002005-06-10T10:58:00.000-05:00"I don't see that abandoning things that we've bro..."I don't see that abandoning things that we've broken (and don't forget Saddam's role in all of this), to the smörgåsbord of political, religious and terrorist movements will make things better."<BR/><BR/>and by that same token, from what has passed, I don't see how the coalition remaining will improve the situation. Not to mention the fact Iraq had long been 'broken' by years of sanctions, davhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01345747203515877168noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11681988.post-1118412907385475592005-06-10T09:15:00.000-05:002005-06-10T09:15:00.000-05:00History is not a conspiracy theory, making a judge...History is not a conspiracy theory, making a judgement like this adds no weight to your argument.<BR/><BR/>"I think it will be messy, I think people will die, and I think we are going to be there for a decade at least. I think that the war will continue as it is, with small but continual progress. I think that it will take a very long time for any kind of normality to return."<BR/><BR/>"in davhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01345747203515877168noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11681988.post-1118405023991230062005-06-10T07:03:00.000-05:002005-06-10T07:03:00.000-05:00Exit strategy: Civil warPepe EscobarJune 9, 2005"I...Exit strategy: Civil war<BR/>Pepe Escobar<BR/><BR/>June 9, 2005<BR/><BR/>"In reality, the electoral process was designed to legitimize the occupation, rather than ridding the country of the occupation ... Anyone who sees himself capable of bringing about political reform should go ahead and try, but my belief is that the occupiers won't allow him."<BR/>- Shi'ite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr<BR/><BR/>Asdavhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01345747203515877168noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11681988.post-1118355597234387082005-06-09T17:19:00.000-05:002005-06-09T17:19:00.000-05:00That sounds good to me Jack.Let me know if you nee...That sounds good to me Jack.<BR/><BR/>Let me know if you need another forum or post to continue.<BR/><BR/>I think both you and Dav have made excellent points, and both have kept it civil, which is more than I can say about Sminky and myself.<BR/><BR/>I agree with both of you on certain things. To me, however, whatever moves Iraq forward and out of the chaos is well worth the debate.<BR/><BR/>Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06618068748001963820noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11681988.post-1118337271073347592005-06-09T12:14:00.000-05:002005-06-09T12:14:00.000-05:00"But, and I stick by this, I am yet to hear any co..."But, and I stick by this, I am yet to hear any convincing argument about what would happen"<BR/><BR/>dittodavhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01345747203515877168noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11681988.post-1118285428019533272005-06-08T21:50:00.000-05:002005-06-08T21:50:00.000-05:00All of the above can be possible. Great post!All of the above can be possible. Great post!The GTL™https://www.blogger.com/profile/06362594707032250902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11681988.post-1118283802470011292005-06-08T21:23:00.000-05:002005-06-08T21:23:00.000-05:00Thanks MJ. Frankly I too think Hannity is a douch...Thanks MJ. Frankly I too think Hannity is a douche but if Fox wants to pay me oodles of money to be a Republican windbag then allow me to huff and puff and blow rational analysis clear out da building ; )<BR/><BR/>Hey, in case you don't see it in my blog comments section, if you hate Bush, you have to check out he book I just finished on Alan Greenspan called, "Greenspan's Fraud" by Ravi Batra.Markkindhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15113578196275501127noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11681988.post-1118280004112905522005-06-08T20:20:00.000-05:002005-06-08T20:20:00.000-05:00I think so Smink.I'll just sit back and stay out o...I think so Smink.<BR/><BR/>I'll just sit back and stay out of this one.<BR/><BR/>Mark, oh you are so much better than Hannity. That guy's a fruit cake. If you do take over his show, please be don't be a block head like him.Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06618068748001963820noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11681988.post-1118263854600544302005-06-08T15:50:00.000-05:002005-06-08T15:50:00.000-05:00"What you're suggesting (that they don't deliberat..."What you're suggesting (that they don't deliberately attack civilians) sounds very much like an apology for collateral damage."<BR/><BR/>no offense, but this is a cheeky thing to say, as you continually refer to war as "that war is a nasty old affair." Needless to say I wasn't apologising for it, only pointing out that it is infact in many cases a +counter-insurgency+. <BR/><BR/>"In March 2005 davhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01345747203515877168noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11681988.post-1118262452376418342005-06-08T15:27:00.000-05:002005-06-08T15:27:00.000-05:00I got dibbs on Sean Hannity's career when he's don...I got dibbs on Sean Hannity's career when he's done with it ; )Markkindhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15113578196275501127noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11681988.post-1118261191009561382005-06-08T15:06:00.000-05:002005-06-08T15:06:00.000-05:00MJ, you have yourself a really great debate going ...MJ, you have yourself a really great debate going here. this could be a radio talk show or something.Sminklemeyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05750488846625841838noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11681988.post-1118252899488509642005-06-08T12:48:00.000-05:002005-06-08T12:48:00.000-05:00"I know that the majority of Iraqis want peace."yo..."I know that the majority of Iraqis want peace."<BR/><BR/>you know, i know that, everybody knows that.<BR/><BR/>what we also know is that they don't want to be occupied anymore. But we know better you see.<BR/><BR/>i quoted the statistics in contradiction of your asertion that people were not starving. This is not true. Because they are not starving, "popular war" or not. <BR/><BR/>"The above davhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01345747203515877168noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11681988.post-1118248017001009702005-06-08T11:26:00.000-05:002005-06-08T11:26:00.000-05:00"To me the issue of WMD is crucial. If Iraq did no..."To me the issue of WMD is crucial. If Iraq did not have the weapons, I want to know why we failed in that regards."<BR/><BR/>have you read the memo? it has not been portrayed as a falsification by the government.<BR/><BR/>"Bush wanted to remove Saddam, through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD. But the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy."<davhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01345747203515877168noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11681988.post-1118247274326449242005-06-08T11:14:00.000-05:002005-06-08T11:14:00.000-05:00"Any statistics regarding the situation before the..."Any statistics regarding the situation before the war do not reflect the situation now."<BR/><BR/>of course they are. it is dircetly through our actions, the situation is as such. if you accept your view, then it is pointless to say "its good that saddam is gone" or "its better than when saddam was around" (ignoring the reality that the second one is factually incorrect) as they are both the davhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01345747203515877168noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11681988.post-1118192308762168952005-06-07T19:58:00.000-05:002005-06-07T19:58:00.000-05:00I'm not sure where I'm supposed to chime in here, ...I'm not sure where I'm supposed to chime in here, so I will try to touch quickly on a couple things.<BR/><BR/>First I want to thank everyone for commenting and reading.<BR/><BR/>Dav, I'm not sure that my argument, which does drive a thin down the middle, is exactly what Blair and Bush are arguing as well. For starters, Bush doesn't even talk about Iraq. All he mentions is that progress is beingChrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06618068748001963820noreply@blogger.com